serghuk
Участник
seric ниже.
,51.58,3906,850.0,560.0,4.8,50.86,515.0,989.4,1326.0,30.6,51.22,3969,1081.2,1315.8,37.5
,52.66,3738,850.0,645.0,4.8,51.94,590.0,989.4,1581.0,0.0,52.30,3822,1081.2,1662.6,35.5
,53.74,3549,645.0,670.0,4.8,53.02,655.0,989.4,1785.0,0.0,53.38,3612,1071.0,1815.6,33.1
,54.82,3381,330.0,685.0,4.8,54.10,680.0,989.4,1836.0,0.0,54.46,3444,1060.8,1836.0,32.3
,55.90,3192,315.0,670.0,4.8,55.18,680.0,989.4,1815.6,0.0,55.54,3255,1050.6,1795.2,32.3
,56.98,3024,305.0,660.0,4.8,56.26,675.0,989.4,1764.6,0.0,56.62,3087,1050.6,1744.2,32.3
,58.06,2877,295.0,665.0,4.8,57.34,665.0,989.4,1703.4,0.0,57.70,2940,1040.4,1693.2,32.3
,59.14,2730,285.0,675.0,4.8,58.42,665.0,989.4,1672.8,0.0,58.78,2793,1030.2,1662.6,32.3
,60.22,2583,275.0,685.0,4.8,59.50,675.0,989.4,1662.6,0.0,59.86,2646,1020.0,1662.6,32.3
,61.30,2457,265.0,680.0,4.8,60.58,680.0,989.4,1642.2,0.0,60.94,2520,1020.0,1642.2,32.3
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,64.54,2100,250.0,630.0,4.8,63.82,640.0,989.4,1509.6,0.0,64.18,2142,999.6,1499.4,32.3
,65.62,2016,250.0,610.0,4.8,64.90,635.0,989.4,1468.8,0.0,65.26,2058,999.6,1448.4,32.3
,66.70,1911,250.0,585.0,4.8,65.98,605.0,989.4,1417.8,0.0,66.34,1953,999.6,1397.4,32.3
,67.78,1827,250.0,555.0,4.8,67.06,580.0,989.4,1366.8,0.0,67.42,1848,999.6,1356.6,31.9
,68.86,1722,250.0,540.0,4.8,68.14,555.0,989.4,1315.8,0.0,68.50,1764,999.6,1305.6,31.1
,69.94,1617,250.0,525.0,4.8,69.22,530.0,989.4,1275.0,0.0,69.58,1659,999.6,1254.6,30.7
,71.02,1134,250.0,520.0,4.8,70.30,510.0,989.4,1234.2,0.0,70.66,1575,999.6,1224.0,29.9
,72.10,882,260.0,255.0,62.2,71.38,370.0,989.4,1173.0,0.0,71.74,924,999.6,1122.0,19.9
,73.18,903,260.0,245.0,57.0,72.45,235.0,989.4,1060.8,0.0,72.82,903,999.6,1040.4,19.9
,74.26,903,260.0,250.0,56.6,73.54,265.0,989.4,1020.0,0.0,73.90,903,999.6,1020.0,19.9
,75.33,903,260.0,260.0,56.2,74.62,260.0,989.4,1020.0,0.0,74.98,903,999.6,1009.8,19.9
,51.58,3906,850.0,560.0,4.8,50.86,515.0,989.4,1326.0,30.6,51.22,3969,1081.2,1315.8,37.5
,52.66,3738,850.0,645.0,4.8,51.94,590.0,989.4,1581.0,0.0,52.30,3822,1081.2,1662.6,35.5
,53.74,3549,645.0,670.0,4.8,53.02,655.0,989.4,1785.0,0.0,53.38,3612,1071.0,1815.6,33.1
,54.82,3381,330.0,685.0,4.8,54.10,680.0,989.4,1836.0,0.0,54.46,3444,1060.8,1836.0,32.3
,55.90,3192,315.0,670.0,4.8,55.18,680.0,989.4,1815.6,0.0,55.54,3255,1050.6,1795.2,32.3
,56.98,3024,305.0,660.0,4.8,56.26,675.0,989.4,1764.6,0.0,56.62,3087,1050.6,1744.2,32.3
,58.06,2877,295.0,665.0,4.8,57.34,665.0,989.4,1703.4,0.0,57.70,2940,1040.4,1693.2,32.3
,59.14,2730,285.0,675.0,4.8,58.42,665.0,989.4,1672.8,0.0,58.78,2793,1030.2,1662.6,32.3
,60.22,2583,275.0,685.0,4.8,59.50,675.0,989.4,1662.6,0.0,59.86,2646,1020.0,1662.6,32.3
,61.30,2457,265.0,680.0,4.8,60.58,680.0,989.4,1642.2,0.0,60.94,2520,1020.0,1642.2,32.3
,62.38,2331,260.0,670.0,4.8,61.66,675.0,989.4,1611.6,0.0,62.02,2373,1009.8,1601.4,32.3
,63.46,2226,255.0,655.0,4.8,62.74,670.0,989.4,1560.6,0.0,63.10,2268,1009.8,1550.4,32.3
,64.54,2100,250.0,630.0,4.8,63.82,640.0,989.4,1509.6,0.0,64.18,2142,999.6,1499.4,32.3
,65.62,2016,250.0,610.0,4.8,64.90,635.0,989.4,1468.8,0.0,65.26,2058,999.6,1448.4,32.3
,66.70,1911,250.0,585.0,4.8,65.98,605.0,989.4,1417.8,0.0,66.34,1953,999.6,1397.4,32.3
,67.78,1827,250.0,555.0,4.8,67.06,580.0,989.4,1366.8,0.0,67.42,1848,999.6,1356.6,31.9
,68.86,1722,250.0,540.0,4.8,68.14,555.0,989.4,1315.8,0.0,68.50,1764,999.6,1305.6,31.1
,69.94,1617,250.0,525.0,4.8,69.22,530.0,989.4,1275.0,0.0,69.58,1659,999.6,1254.6,30.7
,71.02,1134,250.0,520.0,4.8,70.30,510.0,989.4,1234.2,0.0,70.66,1575,999.6,1224.0,29.9
,72.10,882,260.0,255.0,62.2,71.38,370.0,989.4,1173.0,0.0,71.74,924,999.6,1122.0,19.9
,73.18,903,260.0,245.0,57.0,72.45,235.0,989.4,1060.8,0.0,72.82,903,999.6,1040.4,19.9
,74.26,903,260.0,250.0,56.6,73.54,265.0,989.4,1020.0,0.0,73.90,903,999.6,1020.0,19.9
,75.33,903,260.0,260.0,56.2,74.62,260.0,989.4,1020.0,0.0,74.98,903,999.6,1009.8,19.9
seric
*****
Эти логи откуда ? А в общем неважно ... обычная езда накатом.
Максим Николаевич
Просто заглянул
Посмотрите, пожалуйста, AXG, задержка на газ после переключения передачи при разгоне. Лог разгона на 3-й.
Заехал с диагностом на 3-й передаче с холостых на прогретом двигателе:
Saturday,30,April,2011,12:32:36
074 906 018 AJ ,,2.5l R5 EDC G000SG 3908,
,Group A:,'004,,,,Group B:,'008,,,,Group C:,'010
,,Engine Speed,Inj. Timing,Inj. Timing,Inj. Timing,,Engine Speed,Inj. Quantity,Inj. Quantity,Inj. Quantity,,Air Mass,Atmospheric,Intake Manifold,Accelerator pedal
,TIME,,Calculated,Actual,Valve D. Cycle,TIME,,Driver Request,Torque Limitation,Smoke Limitation,TIME,Actual,Pressure,Pressure,Position
MARKER,STAMP, /мин, °BTDC, °BTDC, %,STAMP, /мин, мг/R, мг/R, мг/R,STAMP, мг/R, мБар, мБар,%
,0.63,1367,5.1,7.3,49.0,1.07,1489,12.8,36.8,26.0,1.51,505.0,989.4,1275.0,14.9
,1.89,1489,0.4,2.0,21.1,2.26,1489,1.8,37.0,26.2,2.61,445.0,989.4,1203.6,11.4
,2.99,1326,0.4,0.0,50.6,3.38,877,0.0,28.0,25.8,3.79,305.0,989.4,1111.8,0.0
,4.17,857,0.9,3.1,19.9,4.52,836,1.4,28.0,22.4,4.92,225.0,989.4,1040.4,5.9
,5.29,836,2.2,3.3,19.9,5.64,857,9.4,28.0,21.8,6.05,355.0,989.4,1020.0,8.2
,6.41,877,5.3,3.5,33.5,6.79,898,14.2,28.0,25.2,7.22,465.0,989.4,1040.4,13.3
,7.61,918,0.9,3.5,19.9,8.01,979,33.6,28.0,25.4,8.47,435.0,989.4,1060.8,100.0
,8.87,1020,13.6,12.8,79.3,9.30,1081,35.0,29.2,26.0,9.79,445.0,989.4,1142.4,100.0
,10.24,1204,13.2,13.0,78.1,10.66,1265,37.6,32.4,26.2,11.17,465.0,989.4,1285.2,100.0
,11.54,1408,11.9,12.3,71.3,11.95,1469,41.0,36.4,30.8,12.31,570.0,989.4,1468.8,100.0
,12.66,1591,11.2,11.4,68.1,12.99,1673,44.0,40.6,38.8,13.41,725.0,989.4,1754.4,100.0
,13.78,1836,9.2,10.1,63.4,14.15,1918,46.2,43.0,43.4,14.56,845.0,989.4,2060.4,100.0
,14.93,2142,7.9,7.9,64.1,15.29,2224,47.2,43.0,44.8,15.72,880.0,989.4,1989.0,100.0
,16.08,2448,8.6,8.6,64.1,16.47,2530,47.0,43.0,45.8,16.88,905.0,989.4,2070.6,100.0
,17.27,2734,10.1,9.5,69.7,17.65,2836,46.8,43.0,45.8,18.08,920.0,989.4,1989.0,100.0
,18.47,3040,11.7,12.5,69.7,18.87,3142,46.4,43.0,45.8,19.34,950.0,989.4,2070.6,100.0
,19.78,3346,13.6,14.1,75.3,20.23,3448,46.0,43.0,45.6,20.75,940.0,989.4,2080.8,100.0
,21.22,3672,16.1,15.2,76.5,21.66,3794,45.4,43.0,45.4,22.05,890.0,989.4,2050.2,100.0
,22.41,3958,17.8,18.0,84.9,22.75,4019,45.2,42.8,45.0,23.11,905.0,989.4,2050.2,100.0
,23.47,4162,18.0,18.5,83.7,23.86,4223,44.8,39.6,44.8,24.27,820.0,989.4,1968.6,100.0
,24.65,4345,18.0,17.8,79.7,25.01,4386,44.4,32.2,40.0,25.44,770.0,989.4,1836.0,100.0
,25.80,4488,9.0,17.4,67.3,26.18,3774,0.0,43.0,17.2,26.58,430.0,989.4,1132.2,9.8
,26.97,3101,3.3,6.8,19.9,27.35,2999,8.2,43.0,21.4,27.77,510.0,989.4,1326.0,0.0
,28.18,2958,2.2,0.0,63.4,28.60,2938,0.0,43.0,26.2,29.07,505.0,989.4,1295.4,0.0
Заехал с диагностом на 3-й передаче с холостых на прогретом двигателе:
Saturday,30,April,2011,12:32:36
074 906 018 AJ ,,2.5l R5 EDC G000SG 3908,
,Group A:,'004,,,,Group B:,'008,,,,Group C:,'010
,,Engine Speed,Inj. Timing,Inj. Timing,Inj. Timing,,Engine Speed,Inj. Quantity,Inj. Quantity,Inj. Quantity,,Air Mass,Atmospheric,Intake Manifold,Accelerator pedal
,TIME,,Calculated,Actual,Valve D. Cycle,TIME,,Driver Request,Torque Limitation,Smoke Limitation,TIME,Actual,Pressure,Pressure,Position
MARKER,STAMP, /мин, °BTDC, °BTDC, %,STAMP, /мин, мг/R, мг/R, мг/R,STAMP, мг/R, мБар, мБар,%
,0.63,1367,5.1,7.3,49.0,1.07,1489,12.8,36.8,26.0,1.51,505.0,989.4,1275.0,14.9
,1.89,1489,0.4,2.0,21.1,2.26,1489,1.8,37.0,26.2,2.61,445.0,989.4,1203.6,11.4
,2.99,1326,0.4,0.0,50.6,3.38,877,0.0,28.0,25.8,3.79,305.0,989.4,1111.8,0.0
,4.17,857,0.9,3.1,19.9,4.52,836,1.4,28.0,22.4,4.92,225.0,989.4,1040.4,5.9
,5.29,836,2.2,3.3,19.9,5.64,857,9.4,28.0,21.8,6.05,355.0,989.4,1020.0,8.2
,6.41,877,5.3,3.5,33.5,6.79,898,14.2,28.0,25.2,7.22,465.0,989.4,1040.4,13.3
,7.61,918,0.9,3.5,19.9,8.01,979,33.6,28.0,25.4,8.47,435.0,989.4,1060.8,100.0
,8.87,1020,13.6,12.8,79.3,9.30,1081,35.0,29.2,26.0,9.79,445.0,989.4,1142.4,100.0
,10.24,1204,13.2,13.0,78.1,10.66,1265,37.6,32.4,26.2,11.17,465.0,989.4,1285.2,100.0
,11.54,1408,11.9,12.3,71.3,11.95,1469,41.0,36.4,30.8,12.31,570.0,989.4,1468.8,100.0
,12.66,1591,11.2,11.4,68.1,12.99,1673,44.0,40.6,38.8,13.41,725.0,989.4,1754.4,100.0
,13.78,1836,9.2,10.1,63.4,14.15,1918,46.2,43.0,43.4,14.56,845.0,989.4,2060.4,100.0
,14.93,2142,7.9,7.9,64.1,15.29,2224,47.2,43.0,44.8,15.72,880.0,989.4,1989.0,100.0
,16.08,2448,8.6,8.6,64.1,16.47,2530,47.0,43.0,45.8,16.88,905.0,989.4,2070.6,100.0
,17.27,2734,10.1,9.5,69.7,17.65,2836,46.8,43.0,45.8,18.08,920.0,989.4,1989.0,100.0
,18.47,3040,11.7,12.5,69.7,18.87,3142,46.4,43.0,45.8,19.34,950.0,989.4,2070.6,100.0
,19.78,3346,13.6,14.1,75.3,20.23,3448,46.0,43.0,45.6,20.75,940.0,989.4,2080.8,100.0
,21.22,3672,16.1,15.2,76.5,21.66,3794,45.4,43.0,45.4,22.05,890.0,989.4,2050.2,100.0
,22.41,3958,17.8,18.0,84.9,22.75,4019,45.2,42.8,45.0,23.11,905.0,989.4,2050.2,100.0
,23.47,4162,18.0,18.5,83.7,23.86,4223,44.8,39.6,44.8,24.27,820.0,989.4,1968.6,100.0
,24.65,4345,18.0,17.8,79.7,25.01,4386,44.4,32.2,40.0,25.44,770.0,989.4,1836.0,100.0
,25.80,4488,9.0,17.4,67.3,26.18,3774,0.0,43.0,17.2,26.58,430.0,989.4,1132.2,9.8
,26.97,3101,3.3,6.8,19.9,27.35,2999,8.2,43.0,21.4,27.77,510.0,989.4,1326.0,0.0
,28.18,2958,2.2,0.0,63.4,28.60,2938,0.0,43.0,26.2,29.07,505.0,989.4,1295.4,0.0
ozzzy24
Участник
Доброго времени суток. Скидываю логи и прошу посмотреть что не так. У меня плохой разгон на низких оборотах, нет тяги.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4Lxl2O5ye...dit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4Lxl2O5ye...dit?usp=sharing
serghuk
Участник
seric написал(а):
логи отсюда http://my-files.ru/hpoq0r не накатом а на включеной третей скорости после разгона с полностью отпущенной педалью.
serghuk
Участник
если эбу требует сброс ,ПОЧЕМУ турба не сбрасывает???
seric
*****
Максим Николаевич написал(а):
Прочитайте 2 пост этой темы и сделайте все правильно.
seric
*****
ozzzy24 написал(а):
Прочитайте 2 пост этой темы и перепишите логи своих заездов.
ozzzy24
Участник
Доброго времени суток. Прошу посмотреть мои логи. У меня упала тяга на низах.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4Lxl2O5ye...dit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4Lxl2O5ye...dit?usp=sharing
Максим Николаевич
Просто заглянул
Вчера заехал ещё раз, теперь уже правильно, вот логи
Воскресенье,20,Апрель,2014,20:45:48:46766,AVTO Версия: Адаптер VAG 12.12.0,Дата версии: 20140801
074 906 018 AJ,,2.5l R5 EDC G000SG 3908,
,Group A:,'003,,,,Group B:,'010,,,,Group C:,'011
,,Об/мин,Масс.расх/ Rev.,Масс.расх/ Rev.,Нагрузка,,Масс.расх/ Rev.,Абс. давление,Абс. давление,Нагрузка,,Об/мин,Абс. давление,Абс. давление,Нагрузка
,TIME,,,,,TIME,,,,,TIME,,,,
Marker,STAMP, /min, mg/str, mg/str, %,STAMP, mg/str, mbar, mbar, %,STAMP, /min, mbar, mbar, %
,0.00,796,345.0,375.0,57.4,0.34,345.0,999.6,1040.4,7.5,0.71,796,1111.8,1040.4,29.9
,1.02,816,335.0,340.0,58.6,1.37,330.0,999.6,1030.2,7.8,1.70,816,1122.0,1030.2,29.9
,2.05,836,395.0,340.0,60.2,2.40,435.0,999.6,1030.2,16.1,2.72,857,1142.4,1040.4,29.9
,3.09,898,935.0,480.0,4.8,3.42,490.0,999.6,1081.2,100.0,3.75,959,1244.4,1101.6,29.9
,4.11,1020,980.0,490.0,4.8,4.44,485.0,999.6,1152.6,100.0,4.79,1102,1366.8,1183.2,29.9
,5.12,1142,980.0,545.0,4.8,5.46,570.0,999.6,1254.6,100.0,5.79,1244,1489.2,1305.6,22.3
,6.13,1306,980.0,620.0,4.8,6.49,610.0,999.6,1417.8,100.0,6.82,1428,1632.0,1489.2,25.5
,7.17,1408,705.0,540.0,46.2,7.51,500.0,999.6,1244.4,0.0,7.86,1408,1081.2,1142.4,29.9
,8.22,1367,700.0,465.0,24.7,8.54,470.0,999.6,1060.8,0.0,8.89,1306,1081.2,1050.6,29.9
,9.22,1224,700.0,440.0,24.7,9.58,445.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,9.94,1142,1060.8,1040.4,29.9
,10.26,1102,700.0,440.0,24.7,10.60,445.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,10.92,1020,1060.8,1040.4,29.9
,11.27,1000,700.0,440.0,24.7,11.60,465.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,11.93,877,1060.8,1040.4,29.9
,12.29,857,650.0,470.0,24.7,12.62,475.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,12.99,796,1050.6,1040.4,29.9
,13.32,775,340.0,465.0,24.7,13.67,470.0,999.6,1030.2,0.0,14.00,734,1091.4,1040.4,33.1
,14.33,734,320.0,330.0,60.6,14.69,495.0,999.6,1030.2,0.0,15.02,714,1101.6,1030.2,35.9
,15.37,714,590.0,465.0,24.7,15.70,480.0,999.6,1030.2,0.0,16.05,755,1111.8,1040.4,32.3
,16.40,755,980.0,485.0,4.8,16.72,480.0,999.6,1060.8,100.0,17.09,836,1152.6,1071.0,29.9
,17.40,898,980.0,475.0,4.8,17.75,475.0,999.6,1101.6,100.0,18.10,979,1264.8,1122.0,29.9
,18.42,1000,980.0,485.0,4.8,18.77,500.0,999.6,1152.6,100.0,19.10,1102,1356.6,1173.0,29.9
,19.44,1142,980.0,535.0,4.8,19.79,550.0,999.6,1244.4,100.0,20.12,1265,1499.4,1295.4,22.3
,20.47,1306,980.0,600.0,4.8,20.80,660.0,999.6,1407.6,100.0,21.14,1448,1672.8,1479.0,25.9
,21.49,1510,980.0,735.0,4.8,21.83,780.0,999.6,1672.8,100.0,22.19,1673,1876.8,1785.0,37.9
,22.52,1754,980.0,880.0,4.8,22.87,920.0,999.6,2029.8,100.0,23.20,1938,1989.0,2162.4,59.8
,23.56,2040,980.0,980.0,4.8,23.90,785.0,999.6,1876.8,100.0,24.22,2224,2019.6,1713.6,37.5
,24.59,2326,980.0,775.0,4.8,24.90,840.0,999.6,1744.2,100.0,25.25,2489,2029.8,1836.0,39.0
,25.59,2591,980.0,925.0,4.8,25.92,995.0,999.6,2080.8,100.0,26.29,2795,2040.0,2172.6,53.0
,26.62,2876,980.0,1015.0,4.8,26.95,980.0,999.6,2142.0,100.0,27.29,3060,2040.0,2070.6,51.4
,27.62,3142,980.0,945.0,4.8,27.97,930.0,999.6,2050.2,100.0,28.30,3325,2040.0,2060.4,53.0
,28.64,3407,980.0,945.0,4.8,28.98,930.0,999.6,2070.6,100.0,29.32,3570,2040.0,2060.4,55.0
,29.67,3672,980.0,905.0,4.8,30.00,495.0,999.6,1591.2,0.0,30.34,3611,1122.0,1142.4,35.5
,30.71,3570,700.0,400.0,24.7,31.04,395.0,999.6,999.6,0.0,31.39,3509,1122.0,989.4,35.1
,31.73,3468,700.0,390.0,24.7,32.08,425.0,999.6,999.6,0.0,32.45,3407,1122.0,1009.8,34.7
,32.78,3346,700.0,410.0,24.7,33.12,430.0,999.6,1030.2,0.0,33.47,3284,1122.0,1050.6,34.7
,33.80,3244,700.0,460.0,24.7,34.17,465.0,999.6,1091.4,0.0,34.50,3182,1122.0,1122.0,34.7
,34.85,3142,700.0,500.0,24.7,35.19,500.0,999.6,1162.8,0.0,35.52,3080,1122.0,1183.2,34.7
,35.88,3040,700.0,525.0,24.7,36.20,540.0,999.6,1224.0,0.0,36.56,2958,1122.0,1244.4,34.7
,36.90,2917,700.0,545.0,24.7,37.25,550.0,999.6,1264.8,0.0,37.58,2856,1122.0,1275.0,34.7
,37.92,2836,700.0,560.0,24.7,38.26,550.0,999.6,1275.0,0.0,38.58,2754,1122.0,1275.0,34.7
,38.95,2713,700.0,555.0,24.7,39.27,550.0,999.6,1264.8,0.0,39.62,2652,1122.0,1264.8,33.9
,39.97,2611,700.0,540.0,24.7,40.29,565.0,999.6,1264.8,0.0,40.66,2550,1122.0,1254.6,33.1
,41.00,2509,700.0,545.0,24.7,41.32,545.0,999.6,1244.4,0.0,41.68,2448,1122.0,1244.4,32.3
,41.99,2428,700.0,545.0,24.7,42.34,545.0,999.6,1244.4,0.0,42.68,2366,1122.0,1244.4,31.9
,43.00,2346,700.0,545.0,24.7,43.36,560.0,999.6,1234.2,0.0,43.71,2285,1122.0,1234.2,31.5
,44.05,2264,700.0,545.0,24.7,44.39,550.0,999.6,1234.2,0.0,44.71,2203,1122.0,1234.2,31.5
,45.06,2162,700.0,550.0,24.7,45.39,555.0,999.6,1224.0,0.0,45.74,2101,1111.8,1224.0,31.1
,46.09,2081,700.0,550.0,24.7,46.40,545.0,999.6,1224.0,0.0,46.76,2040,1111.8,1213.8,31.1
,47.09,1999,700.0,545.0,24.7,47.46,535.0,999.6,1203.6,0.0,47.81,1938,1101.6,1193.4,30.7
,48.14,1918,700.0,545.0,24.7,48.48,540.0,999.6,1193.4,0.0,48.81,1877,1101.6,1183.2,30.7
,49.16,1836,700.0,535.0,24.7,49.51,525.0,999.6,1173.0,0.0,49.84,1795,1101.6,1162.8,30.7
,50.20,1754,700.0,525.0,24.7,50.54,520.0,999.6,1162.8,0.0,50.87,1714,1101.6,1152.6,30.3
,51.24,1673,700.0,520.0,24.7,51.58,530.0,999.6,1142.4,0.0,51.92,1612,1091.4,1142.4,30.3
,52.26,1591,700.0,515.0,24.7,52.63,500.0,999.6,1132.2,0.0,52.96,1530,1091.4,1122.0,29.9
,53.29,1530,700.0,500.0,24.7,53.64,495.0,999.6,1111.8,0.0,53.97,1448,1091.4,1111.8,29.9
,54.32,1448,700.0,485.0,24.7,54.68,495.0,999.6,1101.6,0.0,54.99,1367,1081.2,1091.4,29.9
,55.34,1367,700.0,480.0,24.7,55.67,480.0,999.6,1091.4,0.0,56.01,1306,1081.2,1081.2,29.9
,56.35,1265,700.0,480.0,24.7,56.67,460.0,999.6,1081.2,0.0,57.04,1224,1071.0,1071.0,29.9
,57.37,1183,700.0,480.0,24.7,57.72,455.0,999.6,1071.0,0.0,58.06,1142,1071.0,1060.8,29.9
,58.39,1102,700.0,455.0,24.7,58.76,455.0,999.6,1060.8,0.0,59.09,1040,1060.8,1050.6,29.9
,59.46,1020,700.0,460.0,24.7,59.79,465.0,999.6,1050.6,0.0,60.12,959,1050.6,1050.6,29.9
,60.48,918,700.0,465.0,24.7,60.79,475.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,61.14,877,1050.6,1040.4,29.9
,61.47,816,575.0,495.0,24.7,61.80,475.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,62.16,775,1060.8,1040.4,29.9
,62.49,775,220.0,470.0,43.0,62.84,365.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,63.20,734,1091.4,1030.2,34.3
,63.51,734,430.0,480.0,4.8,63.86,485.0,999.6,1030.2,0.0,64.20,755,1101.6,1040.4,30.7
,64.52,775,220.0,275.0,70.9,64.88,215.0,999.6,1030.2,0.0,65.21,775,1101.6,1020.0,29.9
progrommist, в чём, по Вашему может быть дело? Расходомер?
И ещё вылазит переодически ошибка 17656 регулирование опережения впрыска, диапазон регулирование p1248 - 35-10
Воскресенье,20,Апрель,2014,20:45:48:46766,AVTO Версия: Адаптер VAG 12.12.0,Дата версии: 20140801
074 906 018 AJ,,2.5l R5 EDC G000SG 3908,
,Group A:,'003,,,,Group B:,'010,,,,Group C:,'011
,,Об/мин,Масс.расх/ Rev.,Масс.расх/ Rev.,Нагрузка,,Масс.расх/ Rev.,Абс. давление,Абс. давление,Нагрузка,,Об/мин,Абс. давление,Абс. давление,Нагрузка
,TIME,,,,,TIME,,,,,TIME,,,,
Marker,STAMP, /min, mg/str, mg/str, %,STAMP, mg/str, mbar, mbar, %,STAMP, /min, mbar, mbar, %
,0.00,796,345.0,375.0,57.4,0.34,345.0,999.6,1040.4,7.5,0.71,796,1111.8,1040.4,29.9
,1.02,816,335.0,340.0,58.6,1.37,330.0,999.6,1030.2,7.8,1.70,816,1122.0,1030.2,29.9
,2.05,836,395.0,340.0,60.2,2.40,435.0,999.6,1030.2,16.1,2.72,857,1142.4,1040.4,29.9
,3.09,898,935.0,480.0,4.8,3.42,490.0,999.6,1081.2,100.0,3.75,959,1244.4,1101.6,29.9
,4.11,1020,980.0,490.0,4.8,4.44,485.0,999.6,1152.6,100.0,4.79,1102,1366.8,1183.2,29.9
,5.12,1142,980.0,545.0,4.8,5.46,570.0,999.6,1254.6,100.0,5.79,1244,1489.2,1305.6,22.3
,6.13,1306,980.0,620.0,4.8,6.49,610.0,999.6,1417.8,100.0,6.82,1428,1632.0,1489.2,25.5
,7.17,1408,705.0,540.0,46.2,7.51,500.0,999.6,1244.4,0.0,7.86,1408,1081.2,1142.4,29.9
,8.22,1367,700.0,465.0,24.7,8.54,470.0,999.6,1060.8,0.0,8.89,1306,1081.2,1050.6,29.9
,9.22,1224,700.0,440.0,24.7,9.58,445.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,9.94,1142,1060.8,1040.4,29.9
,10.26,1102,700.0,440.0,24.7,10.60,445.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,10.92,1020,1060.8,1040.4,29.9
,11.27,1000,700.0,440.0,24.7,11.60,465.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,11.93,877,1060.8,1040.4,29.9
,12.29,857,650.0,470.0,24.7,12.62,475.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,12.99,796,1050.6,1040.4,29.9
,13.32,775,340.0,465.0,24.7,13.67,470.0,999.6,1030.2,0.0,14.00,734,1091.4,1040.4,33.1
,14.33,734,320.0,330.0,60.6,14.69,495.0,999.6,1030.2,0.0,15.02,714,1101.6,1030.2,35.9
,15.37,714,590.0,465.0,24.7,15.70,480.0,999.6,1030.2,0.0,16.05,755,1111.8,1040.4,32.3
,16.40,755,980.0,485.0,4.8,16.72,480.0,999.6,1060.8,100.0,17.09,836,1152.6,1071.0,29.9
,17.40,898,980.0,475.0,4.8,17.75,475.0,999.6,1101.6,100.0,18.10,979,1264.8,1122.0,29.9
,18.42,1000,980.0,485.0,4.8,18.77,500.0,999.6,1152.6,100.0,19.10,1102,1356.6,1173.0,29.9
,19.44,1142,980.0,535.0,4.8,19.79,550.0,999.6,1244.4,100.0,20.12,1265,1499.4,1295.4,22.3
,20.47,1306,980.0,600.0,4.8,20.80,660.0,999.6,1407.6,100.0,21.14,1448,1672.8,1479.0,25.9
,21.49,1510,980.0,735.0,4.8,21.83,780.0,999.6,1672.8,100.0,22.19,1673,1876.8,1785.0,37.9
,22.52,1754,980.0,880.0,4.8,22.87,920.0,999.6,2029.8,100.0,23.20,1938,1989.0,2162.4,59.8
,23.56,2040,980.0,980.0,4.8,23.90,785.0,999.6,1876.8,100.0,24.22,2224,2019.6,1713.6,37.5
,24.59,2326,980.0,775.0,4.8,24.90,840.0,999.6,1744.2,100.0,25.25,2489,2029.8,1836.0,39.0
,25.59,2591,980.0,925.0,4.8,25.92,995.0,999.6,2080.8,100.0,26.29,2795,2040.0,2172.6,53.0
,26.62,2876,980.0,1015.0,4.8,26.95,980.0,999.6,2142.0,100.0,27.29,3060,2040.0,2070.6,51.4
,27.62,3142,980.0,945.0,4.8,27.97,930.0,999.6,2050.2,100.0,28.30,3325,2040.0,2060.4,53.0
,28.64,3407,980.0,945.0,4.8,28.98,930.0,999.6,2070.6,100.0,29.32,3570,2040.0,2060.4,55.0
,29.67,3672,980.0,905.0,4.8,30.00,495.0,999.6,1591.2,0.0,30.34,3611,1122.0,1142.4,35.5
,30.71,3570,700.0,400.0,24.7,31.04,395.0,999.6,999.6,0.0,31.39,3509,1122.0,989.4,35.1
,31.73,3468,700.0,390.0,24.7,32.08,425.0,999.6,999.6,0.0,32.45,3407,1122.0,1009.8,34.7
,32.78,3346,700.0,410.0,24.7,33.12,430.0,999.6,1030.2,0.0,33.47,3284,1122.0,1050.6,34.7
,33.80,3244,700.0,460.0,24.7,34.17,465.0,999.6,1091.4,0.0,34.50,3182,1122.0,1122.0,34.7
,34.85,3142,700.0,500.0,24.7,35.19,500.0,999.6,1162.8,0.0,35.52,3080,1122.0,1183.2,34.7
,35.88,3040,700.0,525.0,24.7,36.20,540.0,999.6,1224.0,0.0,36.56,2958,1122.0,1244.4,34.7
,36.90,2917,700.0,545.0,24.7,37.25,550.0,999.6,1264.8,0.0,37.58,2856,1122.0,1275.0,34.7
,37.92,2836,700.0,560.0,24.7,38.26,550.0,999.6,1275.0,0.0,38.58,2754,1122.0,1275.0,34.7
,38.95,2713,700.0,555.0,24.7,39.27,550.0,999.6,1264.8,0.0,39.62,2652,1122.0,1264.8,33.9
,39.97,2611,700.0,540.0,24.7,40.29,565.0,999.6,1264.8,0.0,40.66,2550,1122.0,1254.6,33.1
,41.00,2509,700.0,545.0,24.7,41.32,545.0,999.6,1244.4,0.0,41.68,2448,1122.0,1244.4,32.3
,41.99,2428,700.0,545.0,24.7,42.34,545.0,999.6,1244.4,0.0,42.68,2366,1122.0,1244.4,31.9
,43.00,2346,700.0,545.0,24.7,43.36,560.0,999.6,1234.2,0.0,43.71,2285,1122.0,1234.2,31.5
,44.05,2264,700.0,545.0,24.7,44.39,550.0,999.6,1234.2,0.0,44.71,2203,1122.0,1234.2,31.5
,45.06,2162,700.0,550.0,24.7,45.39,555.0,999.6,1224.0,0.0,45.74,2101,1111.8,1224.0,31.1
,46.09,2081,700.0,550.0,24.7,46.40,545.0,999.6,1224.0,0.0,46.76,2040,1111.8,1213.8,31.1
,47.09,1999,700.0,545.0,24.7,47.46,535.0,999.6,1203.6,0.0,47.81,1938,1101.6,1193.4,30.7
,48.14,1918,700.0,545.0,24.7,48.48,540.0,999.6,1193.4,0.0,48.81,1877,1101.6,1183.2,30.7
,49.16,1836,700.0,535.0,24.7,49.51,525.0,999.6,1173.0,0.0,49.84,1795,1101.6,1162.8,30.7
,50.20,1754,700.0,525.0,24.7,50.54,520.0,999.6,1162.8,0.0,50.87,1714,1101.6,1152.6,30.3
,51.24,1673,700.0,520.0,24.7,51.58,530.0,999.6,1142.4,0.0,51.92,1612,1091.4,1142.4,30.3
,52.26,1591,700.0,515.0,24.7,52.63,500.0,999.6,1132.2,0.0,52.96,1530,1091.4,1122.0,29.9
,53.29,1530,700.0,500.0,24.7,53.64,495.0,999.6,1111.8,0.0,53.97,1448,1091.4,1111.8,29.9
,54.32,1448,700.0,485.0,24.7,54.68,495.0,999.6,1101.6,0.0,54.99,1367,1081.2,1091.4,29.9
,55.34,1367,700.0,480.0,24.7,55.67,480.0,999.6,1091.4,0.0,56.01,1306,1081.2,1081.2,29.9
,56.35,1265,700.0,480.0,24.7,56.67,460.0,999.6,1081.2,0.0,57.04,1224,1071.0,1071.0,29.9
,57.37,1183,700.0,480.0,24.7,57.72,455.0,999.6,1071.0,0.0,58.06,1142,1071.0,1060.8,29.9
,58.39,1102,700.0,455.0,24.7,58.76,455.0,999.6,1060.8,0.0,59.09,1040,1060.8,1050.6,29.9
,59.46,1020,700.0,460.0,24.7,59.79,465.0,999.6,1050.6,0.0,60.12,959,1050.6,1050.6,29.9
,60.48,918,700.0,465.0,24.7,60.79,475.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,61.14,877,1050.6,1040.4,29.9
,61.47,816,575.0,495.0,24.7,61.80,475.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,62.16,775,1060.8,1040.4,29.9
,62.49,775,220.0,470.0,43.0,62.84,365.0,999.6,1040.4,0.0,63.20,734,1091.4,1030.2,34.3
,63.51,734,430.0,480.0,4.8,63.86,485.0,999.6,1030.2,0.0,64.20,755,1101.6,1040.4,30.7
,64.52,775,220.0,275.0,70.9,64.88,215.0,999.6,1030.2,0.0,65.21,775,1101.6,1020.0,29.9
progrommist, в чём, по Вашему может быть дело? Расходомер?
И ещё вылазит переодически ошибка 17656 регулирование опережения впрыска, диапазон регулирование p1248 - 35-10
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,Group A:,'003,,,,Group B:,'010,,,,Group C:,'011
,,Engine speed,MAF (specified),MAF (actual),EGR duty cycle,,Mass Air Flow,Barometric,Manifold ,Position,,Engine speed,Specified MAP,Actual MAP,Duty cycle
,TIME,861-945,240-340,240-340,4-84,TIME,,Pressure,Pressure,Throttle,TIME,,,,Boost Valvle
MARKER,STAMP, /мин, мг/R, мг/R, %,STAMP, мг/R, мБар, мБар,%,STAMP, /мин, мБар, мБар, %
,1.10,924,260.0,512.1,49.8,0.03,512.1,989.4,989.4,0.0,0.57,924,928.2,989.4,91.6
,2.76,945,360.0,518.7,19.9,1.66,525.4,979.2,989.4,20.8,2.22,882,1295.4,1020.0,54.2
,4.36,1533,270.0,548.6,49.8,3.29,515.4,989.4,1020.0,0.0,3.80,924,928.2,999.6,58.6
,6.02,1659,850.0,718.2,4.8,4.92,542.0,989.4,1040.4,21.2,5.45,1575,1795.2,1091.4,35.9
,7.68,2079,850.0,788.0,4.8,6.56,784.7,979.2,1489.2,100.0,7.12,1932,1876.8,1560.6,34.7
,9.10,2457,850.0,791.4,4.8,8.20,788.0,989.4,1570.8,100.0,8.73,2331,1856.4,1570.8,35.1
,10.20,2709,850.0,768.1,4.8,9.46,784.7,979.2,1581.0,100.0,9.83,2625,1836.0,1570.8,34.7
,11.31,2940,850.0,748.1,4.8,10.55,758.1,979.2,1570.8,100.0,10.94,2877,1836.0,1570.8,34.7
,12.41,3171,850.0,744.8,4.8,11.68,754.8,979.2,1581.0,100.0,12.04,3087,1836.0,1591.2,34.7
,13.64,3402,850.0,734.8,4.8,12.83,738.2,989.4,1581.0,100.0,13.26,3318,1825.8,1581.0,34.7
,14.75,3612,850.0,721.5,4.8,14.01,734.8,989.4,1581.0,100.0,14.38,3549,1825.8,1570.8,34.7
,16.09,3801,850.0,714.9,4.8,15.10,731.5,989.4,1581.0,100.0,15.57,3738,1815.6,1591.2,34.7
,17.77,4053,850.0,691.6,4.8,16.64,708.2,989.4,1591.2,98.8,17.20,3969,1795.2,1591.2,34.7
,19.42,3906,850.0,515.4,4.8,18.32,522.0,989.4,1417.8,0.0,18.86,3990,1142.4,1305.6,63.8
,21.08,3675,850.0,515.4,4.8,19.96,515.4,989.4,1275.0,0.0,20.52,3759,1111.8,1275.0,91.2
,22.72,3465,315.0,515.4,4.8,21.62,515.4,989.4,1244.4,0.0,22.18,3528,1091.4,1234.2,91.6
,24.36,3255,255.0,515.4,4.8,23.26,515.4,989.4,1224.0,0.0,23.80,3318,1081.2,1213.8,91.2
,26.00,3066,255.0,515.4,4.8,24.91,518.7,989.4,1203.6,0.0,25.46,3129,1071.0,1193.4,91.6
,27.30,2898,250.0,518.7,4.8,26.54,515.4,989.4,1183.2,0.0,26.92,2961,1060.8,1183.2,91.2
,28.44,2793,250.0,528.7,4.8,27.69,518.7,989.4,1173.0,0.0,28.06,2814,1050.6,1173.0,91.6
,29.60,2667,245.0,538.6,4.8,28.83,532.0,989.4,1162.8,0.0,29.21,2709,1050.6,1152.6,91.2
,30.87,2541,245.0,545.3,4.8,29.99,538.6,989.4,1152.6,0.0,30.48,2583,1040.4,1142.4,91.2
,32.26,2415,245.0,545.3,4.8,31.36,548.6,989.4,1142.4,0.0,31.72,2457,1030.2,1142.4,91.6
,33.43,2310,245.0,555.3,4.8,32.72,548.6,989.4,1132.2,0.0,33.08,2352,1020.0,1132.2,91.6
,34.55,2205,245.0,545.3,4.8,33.79,555.3,989.4,1122.0,0.0,34.15,2247,1020.0,1122.0,91.2
,36.16,2079,245.0,552.0,4.8,35.06,548.6,989.4,1111.8,0.0,35.61,2142,1009.8,1101.6,91.6
,37.81,1953,245.0,545.3,4.8,36.72,545.3,989.4,1091.4,0.0,37.27,1995,999.6,1091.4,91.2
,39.48,1827,245.0,538.6,4.8,38.37,542.0,979.2,1091.4,0.0,38.92,1869,989.4,1081.2,91.6
,41.15,1701,245.0,545.3,4.8,40.04,545.3,989.4,1071.0,0.0,40.59,1743,979.2,1071.0,90.8
,Group A:,'003,,,,Group B:,'010,,,,Group C:,'011
,,Engine speed,MAF (specified),MAF (actual),EGR duty cycle,,Mass Air Flow,Barometric,Manifold ,Position,,Engine speed,Specified MAP,Actual MAP,Duty cycle
,TIME,861-945,240-340,240-340,4-84,TIME,,Pressure,Pressure,Throttle,TIME,,,,Boost Valvle
MARKER,STAMP, /мин, мг/R, мг/R, %,STAMP, мг/R, мБар, мБар,%,STAMP, /мин, мБар, мБар, %
,1.10,924,260.0,512.1,49.8,0.03,512.1,989.4,989.4,0.0,0.57,924,928.2,989.4,91.6
,2.76,945,360.0,518.7,19.9,1.66,525.4,979.2,989.4,20.8,2.22,882,1295.4,1020.0,54.2
,4.36,1533,270.0,548.6,49.8,3.29,515.4,989.4,1020.0,0.0,3.80,924,928.2,999.6,58.6
,6.02,1659,850.0,718.2,4.8,4.92,542.0,989.4,1040.4,21.2,5.45,1575,1795.2,1091.4,35.9
,7.68,2079,850.0,788.0,4.8,6.56,784.7,979.2,1489.2,100.0,7.12,1932,1876.8,1560.6,34.7
,9.10,2457,850.0,791.4,4.8,8.20,788.0,989.4,1570.8,100.0,8.73,2331,1856.4,1570.8,35.1
,10.20,2709,850.0,768.1,4.8,9.46,784.7,979.2,1581.0,100.0,9.83,2625,1836.0,1570.8,34.7
,11.31,2940,850.0,748.1,4.8,10.55,758.1,979.2,1570.8,100.0,10.94,2877,1836.0,1570.8,34.7
,12.41,3171,850.0,744.8,4.8,11.68,754.8,979.2,1581.0,100.0,12.04,3087,1836.0,1591.2,34.7
,13.64,3402,850.0,734.8,4.8,12.83,738.2,989.4,1581.0,100.0,13.26,3318,1825.8,1581.0,34.7
,14.75,3612,850.0,721.5,4.8,14.01,734.8,989.4,1581.0,100.0,14.38,3549,1825.8,1570.8,34.7
,16.09,3801,850.0,714.9,4.8,15.10,731.5,989.4,1581.0,100.0,15.57,3738,1815.6,1591.2,34.7
,17.77,4053,850.0,691.6,4.8,16.64,708.2,989.4,1591.2,98.8,17.20,3969,1795.2,1591.2,34.7
,19.42,3906,850.0,515.4,4.8,18.32,522.0,989.4,1417.8,0.0,18.86,3990,1142.4,1305.6,63.8
,21.08,3675,850.0,515.4,4.8,19.96,515.4,989.4,1275.0,0.0,20.52,3759,1111.8,1275.0,91.2
,22.72,3465,315.0,515.4,4.8,21.62,515.4,989.4,1244.4,0.0,22.18,3528,1091.4,1234.2,91.6
,24.36,3255,255.0,515.4,4.8,23.26,515.4,989.4,1224.0,0.0,23.80,3318,1081.2,1213.8,91.2
,26.00,3066,255.0,515.4,4.8,24.91,518.7,989.4,1203.6,0.0,25.46,3129,1071.0,1193.4,91.6
,27.30,2898,250.0,518.7,4.8,26.54,515.4,989.4,1183.2,0.0,26.92,2961,1060.8,1183.2,91.2
,28.44,2793,250.0,528.7,4.8,27.69,518.7,989.4,1173.0,0.0,28.06,2814,1050.6,1173.0,91.6
,29.60,2667,245.0,538.6,4.8,28.83,532.0,989.4,1162.8,0.0,29.21,2709,1050.6,1152.6,91.2
,30.87,2541,245.0,545.3,4.8,29.99,538.6,989.4,1152.6,0.0,30.48,2583,1040.4,1142.4,91.2
,32.26,2415,245.0,545.3,4.8,31.36,548.6,989.4,1142.4,0.0,31.72,2457,1030.2,1142.4,91.6
,33.43,2310,245.0,555.3,4.8,32.72,548.6,989.4,1132.2,0.0,33.08,2352,1020.0,1132.2,91.6
,34.55,2205,245.0,545.3,4.8,33.79,555.3,989.4,1122.0,0.0,34.15,2247,1020.0,1122.0,91.2
,36.16,2079,245.0,552.0,4.8,35.06,548.6,989.4,1111.8,0.0,35.61,2142,1009.8,1101.6,91.6
,37.81,1953,245.0,545.3,4.8,36.72,545.3,989.4,1091.4,0.0,37.27,1995,999.6,1091.4,91.2
,39.48,1827,245.0,538.6,4.8,38.37,542.0,979.2,1091.4,0.0,38.92,1869,989.4,1081.2,91.6
,41.15,1701,245.0,545.3,4.8,40.04,545.3,989.4,1071.0,0.0,40.59,1743,979.2,1071.0,90.8
ast@h
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Всем привет, давно не заходил.
Гляньте плиз логи, сажевый вырезан + чип, но знакомый говорит как-то слабо едет....
http://gfile.ru/a4PPy
Я с чипами не особо
Гляньте плиз логи, сажевый вырезан + чип, но знакомый говорит как-то слабо едет....
http://gfile.ru/a4PPy
Я с чипами не особо
seric
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ast@h написал(а):
Ваш знакомый прав на 100%.
Если все трубочки проверены по схеме и без пробоин, то можно снимать турбину на чистку геометрии.
ast@h
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seric написал(а):
Я вначале тоже так подумал, но потом посмотрел график чипонутого движка (BMP) и засомневался... я про наличие "острых вершин"
http://www.gerritspeek.nl/fotos/vag-com_log_bmp-b.jpg
Да и к тому же на 1200-1300об клапан №75 отрабатывает более чем на 90%, точно так же как в моих логах..
progrommist
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ast@h написал(а):Я вначале тоже так подумал, но потом посмотрел график чипонутого движка (BMP) и засомневался... я про наличие "острых вершин"
http://www.gerritspeek.nl/fotos/vag-com_log_bmp-b.jpg
Да и к тому же на 1200-1300об клапан №75 отрабатывает более чем на 90%, точно так же как в моих логах..
Вот ваши "анализы". Очень смахивает на голандские. Кстати, запрос по воздуху там не вычисляли.
ast@h
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progrommist написал(а):
Я может вначале неправильно выразился, но логи не мои, а знакомого.
Мне просто стало интересно, потому как у самого такой движок только без чипа и с сажевым еще.
На сколько больше воздуха должно быть с чипом?